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Letters from the May 17 Prior Lake American
May 16, 2008 - 10:28am — Lori Carlson
Deal with the real issues Our forefathers never expected the city of Prior Lake to use eminent domain to take property (that wasn’t used for roads, etc.) from a private citizen who owns a building in Prior Lake. Yet this is exactly what they plan to do. In spite of the statement of belt tightening, they are prepared to spend $130,000 to acquire this property. Who among us thinks a parking ramp would enhance the downtown? The latest is to limit the taxpayers’ choice of garbage pickup, which reduces competition and will lead to higher cost. Yet the city is preparing to spin off minor medical emergencies to Allina, instead of the fire department. Who decides whether it is a minor or major emergency? The fire department has been outstanding in handling emergencies, and they have consistently been supported by the voters for their needs. Verda Russo, Prior Lake Free choice is critical I read with interest the article regarding the garbage hauling and the resulting road deterioration. I have always felt it was ridiculous that I would see a different garbage truck rumbling down my street every day. However, free enterprise is critical. I would suggest that, since we have our city divided into quadrants at this time, a bidding process should be implemented per quadrant. This would be equitable and reduce the road usage considerably. This would also improve the garage sale predicament and traffic hazards endemic with the “neighborhood” sales, etc. The drivers must simply hate Thursdays in May. Lois Walters, Prior Lake Keep freedom of choice I completely understand and agree with reducing the amount of garbage collection trucks every day. However, I’m completely against the city telling me which company I have to use. That should be my choice, as we all have different companies for different reasons. When I lived in Eagan, you could choose your company, but they all had to collect on a certain day. Please strongly consider allowing residents to keep their freedom of choice. Kari Tuttle, Prior Lake Preparing for what’s next? I would be suspending disbelief if I thought the multiple articles on the cuts in the Prior Lake school system fully inform the voters, and I believe it was to prepare us for the same referendum that the voters turned down by a decisive margin. How are these cuts? In school year 2006-07, enrollment went up 4.57 percent. Spending increased from $49.8 million the year before to $54.9 million, or an 11-percent increase. In school year 2007-08, enrollment went up 3.5 percent. Final figures are not compiled; however, total spending is projected to be $57.4 million, an increase of 4.6 percent. Robert Peterson, Prior Lake City leaders don’t care I was shocked to learn about the developments at the dining establishment Captain Jack’s. For any of you that have been there recently, you’ve seen the dirt lot across the street which has typically been used for overflow parking now lined with boulders. This makes parking difficult when they are busy or overflow parking is needed. Apparently this is due to some ridiculous law about not parking in front lawns. You call that a lawn? It looks more like a garbage dump to me. Are there laws about that? Anyway, when overflow parking is needed, you are now forced to find a parking spot on the street, which should be just fine, but the city makes a point to write out tickets to people who park on certain parts of the streets, probably as to not inconvenience the neighbors that moved in next to the establishment that’s been there for over 50 years. So, not only are customers inconvenienced in where they have to park, they run the risk of being greeted with a parking ticket when they leave. Shouldn’t the city be supporting this business? Why does the city feel the need to impose its will on this business and inconvenience its customers now? People have parked there for at least the last 10 years. Why the sudden urgency? Jack Haugen and our city leaders need to wake up and realize that with the limited amount of business in this town, small businesses should be treated like kings. We all have ridiculous tax burdens, and the few businesses in this town only help to reduce that burden. Captain Jack’s probably has over 100 employees during the summer. The more employees, the more taxes paid. Jack Haugen obviously doesn’t care or just doesn’t get it.This city has made it clear they don’t care how much we pay in taxes or how the small businesses it retains are treated. All Jack Haugen and his “leaders” care about is spending your money negligently.Support your businesses, folks, because your city doesn’t. Markov Nelichek, Prior Lake Don’t forget garden pros Your May 10 article covering the sixth season of the [Prior Lake] Farmers Market was excellent, except there was no mention of the Master Gardeners booth. The Master Gardeners of Carver/Scott are available each Saturday to answer questions, diagnose plant problems and provide information on all types of plants from the smallest to the largest for residents of Prior Lake and surrounding communities. Master Gardeners are volunteers of the University of Minnesota Extension Service. Come talk to them. Kathie Eckloff, Chairwoman, Carver/Scott Master Gardeners Stamp out pesky lice In an era when lice is running rampant in our schools, I need to understand why the school district allows for children who have been infested with nits to return to school without being nit-free. My children attend a daycare that has a more stringent policy that requires a child who has been infested to be nit-free before being able to return. However, it is frustrating because the children going to the elementary schools and bringing it back are being exposed daily to other children potentially walking around with nits in their hair. Lice has become so rampant since I was a kid and seems to be out of control. Recently we heard about the Eagan School District dealing with an outbreak. I would hope that the Prior Lake School District would use that situation as a good learning tool and become stricter with the policy regarding lice. Together, we all need to stamp out this pesky problem. Tracy Brownrigg, Prior Lake Steve Sarvi knows best I want to introduce you to Steve Sarvi. He is the DFL candidate who will face Rep. John Kline in the general election in November.Sarvi has served as an Army officer in Kosovo and Iraq. He knows firsthand what the situation in Iraq is like and how badly we need to get our troops out of there and on to more important issues like focusing again on Afghanistan.In addition, Sarvi knows what you’re talking about around the kitchen table, the economy, gas prices and health care. Instead of voting against help for foreclosure victims like Kline recently did, Sarvi favors help for those who, through no fault of their own, were sold mortgages the lenders knew they couldn’t afford.Sarvi also knows that the price of gas is hurting every one of us. Kline recently proposed drilling in environmentally sensitive areas like the ANWR or the continental shelf. He proposed greater use of coal and nuclear energy. Instead of understating the value of renewable resources, Sarvi sees these energy sources as levers to help us get away from our huge fossil-fuel appetite – to prepare us for a more secure energy future.You can learn more about Steve Sarvi at www.stevesarvi.org. While you’re there, you can help Steve combat the corporate lobby money Kline has received over the years ($110,000 from the oil and gas industry alone). You can contribute what you can afford, and Steve Sarvi will be very thankful. Jeff Goldy, Prior Lake Lind not treated fairly The facts in Chris Lind’s letter to the editor (May 10, Prior Lake American) give a different picture than what has been presented by Superintendent Westerhaus and Human Resources Director Massaros. The “child/student” whose parent complained about Chris’ abstinence conversation turned out to be neither a child nor a student. Chris was reprimanded anyway. Could the parent have had “special connections” with which to exert pressure? That would be an abuse of power. The Jan. 3 reprimand was a result of the janitor’s complaint about a conversation of which he wasn’t even a participant, except as an eavesdropper. The reprimand included the stipulation that “These conversations about abstinence, which Chris could not have with students, include conversations both on and off school district property as well as conversations both during and outside of your work hours.” Would any of us not consider that an abuse of an employer’s power? Would any of us not take legal action to correct this injustice? Would any of us not contemplate standing up for our First Amendment rights? How could education authorities, the usual bastions of freedom of speech rights, so arrogantly trample on Chris’ rights to speak freely, especially in non-employment arenas? It’s truly appalling. That a June 2006 nominee for PLHS paraprofessional of the year could, two months later, be reprimanded for a conversation about abstinence is testimony to the rise of a secularism that pervades most of our institutions. Christians are welcomed and applauded for their good deeds, but they must remain silent about their value system that produces those deeds or be hounded out of their jobs. If a Christian imagines that the rights and freedoms that the Constitution grants to secularists extend to him, we can observe that they don’t, at least not without a fight. It’s also been interesting to note how this newspaper has handled the story. When Chris was being made to appear as a sexual predator, the articles were on the front page. Now that Chris has “turned the other cheek,” which is an outgrowth of the Christian value system, the news about that was not on the front page. It was tucked into a small third-page article which dealt primarily with an ancillary issue. Chris’ statement was handled as a letter to the editor. Chris has decided that a fight over this injustice would be harmful to the district and to his family. To sacrifice one’s rights in the interest of what’s best for others is at the core of the Christian value system. To forgive in the face of great injustice is also a core Christian value. The good character of Chris Lind, visible now to the larger Prior Lake-Savage public, is obviously what attracted those students to him as they were seeking answers to life’s questions (presumably not found by them in the Secularist halls of education). The current and future students of PLHS are the poorer for the loss. Lynn Madison, Prior Lake ‘Memorable’ weekend Let’s make this Memorial weekend a memorable one for the big oil companies. Be at your destination for the weekend and have your shopping done on Friday night, turn off that ignition and don’t start it again until time for work on Tuesday. All you boaters and bikers from sea to shining sea and lakes and rivers in between, help us out. United we stand. Don’t even start your lawnmowers. If staying home, get all your “honey do” projects done, spruce up your yard, get finished all those things you’ve been meaning to do and help the rest of America obtain lower gas prices, thereby lowering the price of food, etc. This is a grassroots effort. Please pass it along to your family, friends and neighbors. Together we will count; Americans have the will and can-do spirit. Each of us has to do our part, starting with us little guys in America. Again, let’s make it one memorable weekend for the oil companies. Happy Memorial Day. Together, we can do it. Bob and Joanne Henry, Prior Lake Let haulers do their jobs We used to carry the garbage from the backyard. Then we backed in the driveway and carried it from the garage, and now they lift it by machine into the truck from the curb. I timed my waste hauler, and it took five seconds to lift the container and empty it and place it on the ground. So now that the trucks are at each house only seconds, someone has found another way to complain. Too many different trucks on different days in their neighborhood seems to be nonsense. Dividing the city into separate areas stops the potential for growth for a hauling company. Each customer picks their company, as they should, and the city should allow free enterprise to continue as competition makes this service better and keeps prices down. We have truck traffic on my street, so if the garbage trucks can’t go here, then all the other trucks can’t, either. Just who is responsible for road damage is anyone’s guess as weather is also a factor as well as construction quality. Trucks pay large fees to use the roads, taking into account the extra wear they cause. I don’t know if it’s the county or state that gets the money. What the haulers do in five seconds used to take minutes, not mention the toll it took on the individuals who had to haul garbage from the backyard in a basket. Dan Swanson, Prior Lake ‘We must all hang together’ These are the lessons/questions that resonate with me as we close out the 2007-08 school year and look to our district’s future:When we work together, we accomplish great things – this year’s 48 board scholars, PTC Carnival, the Laker Athletic Booster Club’s community clean up day, the high school’s production of “Grease,” the middle school variety show, the Knowledge Bowl team taking second at state, the high school wrestling team at state, and a balanced budget for fiscal year 2007-08 to name just a few.Our community ultimately pays more emotionally and financially when we do not trust and support our elected officials’ decisions. We might view our elected officials as referees in our district – when they make a decision it should be final. Keep in mind, we have seven board members contributing to that final decision.Sometimes individuals are elected to school boards and/or any elected positions that are not necessarily best suited for the role. Remember Jesse? The good he may have done was overshadowed by his behavior in office.Employees and public figures who mistakenly/jokingly say the wrong things in earshot of a bystander risk losing their jobs. Just ask any of the presidential candidates’ staff members.Advocating for our beliefs is easier than admitting our mistakes. Great leaders are rarely recognized in our presence. They are more likely to be crucified.Our community works hard to support our respective special interest groups, but we struggle to work together to pass a referendum that would benefit us all (don’t have children? think property values).Many of us think we have the answers to our district’s problems, but how much time have we really invested in attending district meetings to understand if our solutions are realistic in the environment our district operates in today? (State funding is needed, but when will we see the dollars?)What are the “basics” in education today? How much has the cost of education increased due to federal and state mandates? What survey questions should have been asked on the district’s survey regarding the referendum? What is the magical dollar amount for a referendum to pass in our community? These are not easy questions to answer, as we all have our own opinions. Unless we are willing to step up and serve on a committee and/or provide input during the district’s open forms, requests for information (“letters to the editor” would suggest we are more reactive than proactive), we might consider putting our confidence in the School Board we elected to debate and resolve these matters.I, personally, have been stuck this past year on Benjamin Franklin’s comments at the signing of the Declaration of Independence: “We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately.” Sue Heaton, Prior Lake
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The city isn't taking away...
Back to page topThe city isn't taking away choice in the garbage debate, or at least that's what is said in quotes from the article. Multiple members fo the council said that they believe that citizens should have the choice. It seems to me that the council is looking for ways to keep haulers to one area per day, instead of driving all over town. That doesn't eliminate choice at all, but it does make sense to me. What is so wrong with assiging certain days to certain neighborhoods in the same area, regardless of carrier?
It seems to me that the letter writers above need to take a deep breath before over reacting about their freedom of choice being threatened. ...
To Markov Nelichek, his...
Back to page topTo Markov Nelichek, his anger is misplaced and misguided, and completely ignores numerous facts, one of which is that the lot in question is a privately owned piece of land that is not controlled by Captain Jack's or the city. The owner can do with it as they please.
However, in the past the owner has allowed it's use for parking, so one could assume that their may have been a potential complaint about the ordinance, and the city's hands become tied in such cases, for better or worse.
Furthermore, why would the counsel want to harm small businesses in the community, when multiple members own their own small businesses in Prior Lake, are part of the Prior Lake Chamber of Commerce and have long standing business partnerships with many of those in town?
It seems to me that Mr. Nelichek was hellbent on lashing out at the city, and really didn't care to let actual facts and logic stand in his way.
Unfortunately Robert...
Back to page topUnfortunately Robert Peterson relies on the media only for his information. Has he ever attended a budget meeting? Does he know that the increase in 2006-07 were due to opening new buildings? Jeffers Pond and Edgewood were desperately needed and so unfortunately, it costs money to operate schools. When new students move into the district, they are entitled to an education. Guess what...that increases the expenditures in the district that were unknown when the budget was made. True the district receives a per pupil stidpend but it is not enough As the state gives districts less and less how are districts to survive?
Many cuts have been made and impacted many in the district. If you checked with middle school parents they would say huge cuts were made to activities. Many schools will see young children unable to take the bus so they will need to be transported or walk. That is a cut as well. We may have been able to walk when we were children but we live in a different world now.
Unfortunately the district did not have a choice. but to make cuts. You can look at numbers but you need to know what is involved before you make assumptions about them. I would encourage Mr. Peterson to get involved and attend the public meetings on budget issues. Get involved and get the facts! We won't all agree but at least get informed before you pass judgement.
Seems as though you can't...
Back to page topSeems as though you can't even make a decision of your own in Prior Lake anymore. With the tax on houses going up 15% and the raises for the city govt, they don't care about the citizens of the city anymore. I had to make a call for an emergency to the Dispatch, they were more worried about who I was, than what was going on. From the police department lack of help to the city leaders. Who is left to turn to? So what color does the city want in each quadrant now? Please tell us, so that we may be able to dress color correctly for that day as well. There are bigger issues that the city needs to address than this. I am sick and tired of paying hand over fists of money for the city to throw it away. I am moving out of the city by the end of summer, because I simply can't afford this waste anymore. This city has had huge growing pains, but it has simply become a joke. The amount of money being paid to the city council and the the city employees is completely out of hand. They are taking stands on eminent domain, when they have property they haven't even developed yet. Farm by lake front for example. How much did the city waste having those plans drawn up? Still sits like a sore thumb. I don't mind paying taxes to help out, but when I watch it being thown down a drain, I get iritated with it. I wish the citizens would step up. Also, it is really ironic how this newspaper, publishes certain articles, FRONT PAGE NEWS, til someone in Prior Lake gets exonerated (Prior Lake loves to publish all the negative, never the good) then it becomes fine print way in the back so no one sees it. Please for the sake of people who are proud to call Prior Lake their home, please lead by example. Why should any resident here do anything good for the city, when all the city does is take the money, and run...Very very very fed up resident after 25 years.
Fed Up, everyone has their...
Back to page topFed Up, everyone has their opinions I suppose but having been born and raised here, and am 25 like the number of years you've been here, this community has actually turned into something, especially in the last 6 to 8 years.
When I got drive through Shakopee, or Savage, they aren't towns like I would want Prior Lake to be. I don't feel a community in those cities. I even feel less of community when I drive through downtown New Prague, with the new things that have been put up right near Main Street.
Every time I come back to PL, as I have moved to Minneapolis, I look around and am proud that the city hasn't turned into a place for rows and rows of bland houses and big box retailers. Granted, the city has some, as does every suburb, but those are pretty inevitable. And considering the way that other cities and people have had to deal with growth and the economy as a whole, I think the city has done a pretty good job at managing finances in the face of multiple issues, and turned Prior Lake into something better during that time.
Rational thanks for the...
Back to page topRational thanks for the comments. If the city is a great place to live I would beg to ask, why don't you live in Prior Lake anymore? I am sorry, but take a look at the overall budget increases on non-essential items. While every budget has some waste, I know people who have lived here for 35+ years and are having to move because they can't afford it. I know a lot of people who would like to live here but can't afford it. The city is a nice place, but the city gov't and the elected officials need to buckle down, just as the citizens do. If you don't have enough money, can you just give yourself a raise and raise prices? It is ok, everyone like you said has their opinions but when you are getting hammered with 15+% property tax increases and water and sewer going way up, food etc.....product of the economy? I just can't give myself a raise, so it is time for me to move, the cost is a whole lot cheaper just 45 minutes, north of here. Thanks and have a safe memorial day weekend.
At this point in my life, I...
Back to page topAt this point in my life, I want to live in Minneapolis. Living in any suburb isn't what I want to do right now, so it isn't a Prior Lake thing. In fact, I wouldn't mind raising my family here one day like I was raised.
Everyone is affected by rising costs across the board. Gas, for instance, is a substantial part of my budget. The city can't do anything about that. They can't lower food prices at all either, or make me buy groceries instead of eat out.
I guess my main issue is that many are faced with the same issues throughout the metro and the county, and that the county level deserves some attention as well. It's easy to throw the blame on the city, but they are only part of the problem or solution to issues.
It probably nees to be mentioned, as well, that certain issues, like water for instance, were ignored for years and we've had to play catch up as a city on some of those issues in the last 6 to 8 years. As essential projects (which I consider water and sewer to be) are put off, they only cost people more.
Moving on though, I don't like to see people forced out of places they have lived, but it's bound to happen, and happens in a lot of areas. I just bought a house in foreclosure in the city ... clearly that person couldn't cope either. You are being fairly about about your issues, so don't take this as a knock on you, but PLENTY of people have fallen on hard times, not just people in Prior Lake. Sadly, it seems to be the rule and not the exception all over ... and in the face of that the city is still getting high marks from independant financial institutions for their performance. It may not be perfect, but it's better than most.
Rational, I can't speak on...
Back to page topRational, I can't speak on behalf of everyone. But I can speak on behalf of myself and family that live in Prior Lake. I know a lot of people around the state, that are having super hard times. So no I don't take it as a knock on me, I can't speak for everyone, so that is why I qualified it. there are a lot of other issues that are going on too, that are completely ridiculous and there have been plenty of articles in the "letter to the editor section" about those, so I don't want to beat a dead horse. Like the school issue, why should we pay another 69 m for a school, when we have one that "was needed now" and now sits empty?????? Issues like this is what is the problem, while it may look good on paper, lets actually do the leg work to make sure that school will fill up with kids and families to support it. That is all I am saying and again this is just one example, there are many many more. Again thanks for your comments. Not trying to be negative, but really sick of what is happening. Called the police department three weeks ago to make a report, was told nothing they could do and just took a name, didn't bother to worry about the real issue, more worried about who I was. Family from out of town watched as this took place. So there are many issues as I stated. I know my choice to leave. AND I WILL!
Thanks for yor response. I...
Back to page topThanks for yor response. I am a bit surprised, however, at the amount that citizens lump the school and county portions into the city government, when they have very little control about what goes on with those. County taxes and property valuations should get handled by the county (yet many still go to the city) and school bond issues should be routed through the school board. I agree that there are plenty of issues that need to be talked about and handled, but some (not necessarily you) fail to understand that the city doesn't control everything.
Thanks for pointing that out...
Back to page topThanks for pointing that out Rational. I know the difference between city and county governments. I was involved in both. I am pointing out straight facts about the city. I also stated about the school. That is all. Anyway, I don't want this to turn off the real issues, so I will leave it at that.
The leaders of both are way overpaid and aren't doing what they should be doing. If you took a poll, you would find out I don't stand alone on this issue. It is a shame. But hey they are getting a paycheck so they are happy. (they need to be paid by performance.)
If we stick to the facts,...
Back to page topIf we stick to the facts, you don't provide many. You provide a lot of broad statements without showing cause, but that's a lot different than facts. The one "fact" that sticks out is the 15% raise in property taxes. I'd be curious to know where you got that "fact" and over what time period it is from. Other than that, again, you haven't really given many facts. You've certainly shared your views but they haven't been anything more than opinion on most points.
On my tax statement, is...
Back to page topOn my tax statement, is where I got it. It is in Black and White, and it is from 2007-2008. Would you like me to email it to you so that you can see and stop saying that I am being too broad? Personally, I am not going to sit on a forum and argue with you over issues, I left them broad for a reason. Also, since you don't pay the city's fees on anything, like I do, then there really isn't a font fight to be had. I have been more than casual about it. But until you live here and see the costs rise, then I really am not going to go line by line on things. So thank you again for your "knowledge" on these issues. But since you don't pay for them here, I am not sure where you are getting your information either, I get it directly from the sources I have pointed out, in letters.
Thanks!
Take a deep breath, I'm...
Back to page topTake a deep breath, I'm really not arguing, just making sure you are stating "facts" correctly. And taking the view of "you don't live here so you don't know" really doesn't matter, because you don't need to experience economics first hand to understand them fully. Regardless, my family still lives in Prior Lake, so I know ho the fees affect them first hand.
To your point, there is a large difference between taxes going up 15 percent and the smount you pay going up 15 percent. If you were to use the Scott County web site's property tax estimate, with a $200,000 house (for example's sake) in Prior Lake and the PL school district, you would pay $2,166.26 in property taxes, roughly .011 of the home value. If there were a 15 percent difference in taxes, that would mean that last year you were actually then paid to own your home and land.
Instead, there is a 15 percent difference int he payment amount, which in this example would have meant that last year the same property was taxed $1,883.70, or roughly .009 of the property value. The comparison from .009 to .011 is a far cry from 15 percent.
I won't dispute that taxes have gone up, and any more money that people have to spend on anything (food, gas, taxes, etc.), especially in this economy is a burden. I just think it's important to represent the facts fairly.
My taxes went up 15%, they...
Back to page topMy taxes went up 15%, they have never increased that much. I have the documentation in front of me. Increase of +15%. With the dollar value matching of 15%!!!!!! Thank you.
With the economy the way it is, the taxation on the property value, doesn't even equate with the sale price of the homes now. I just find it kind of odd, that you called out another gentleman on this forum too, when again you don't live here, that is all. I don't need to take a deep breath, but I just don't need to call every line item out. You related to the politicians in Prior Lake? You sure have a lot to say about it? Just curious? And yes, I do know what I am saying, and yes I am leaving a lot broad for a specific reason.
Like I told you, I have...
Back to page topLike I told you, I have lived here all of my life, and actually live within the city right now while waiting to move. I take interest because it has always been home. I've lived here, worked here, volunteered in city and school programs and voted here ... I don't think there is anything wrong with my level of caring about the city.
And I agree to your point that taxes and home value correlation don't make sense ... you'd think otherwise.
I'll bow out now, apparently I'm not welcome in your elitist and territorial views because I don't own a home that I pay taxes on or have the same level of residency. You clearly know better than I, so I guess I will concede with my tail between my legs.
It isn't you, I am talking...
Back to page topIt isn't you, I am talking about. It is the city/county, they want more and more and more money, and the single person can't go in and demand a raise. They get more and more money, and then they deliver worse service. They from the city level and the county level, lack hugely in their service. or better yet, bang for their buck! They need to step up and do what they are paid to do.
I will give a peak at my...
Back to page topI will give a peak at my Column to run this weekend in the Savage Pacer.
This is what we require of our government - National, State, County, City and School Board.
"Spend wisely, Plan better, Cut spending"
If the do that, taxes will naturally come down.
If they do not - the lack of discipline will cause taxes to rise.
They have not done that and taxes have risen.
Rising taxes are not necessarily the problem, but are symptoms of a spending, planning and budgeting problem.
Thank you Robert, no they...
Back to page topThank you Robert, no they aren't the problem, but we can't keep allowing them to rise just because someone doesn't tighten down and plan better. It isn't the answer, yet that is what I continue to see happening. And with it service. Thank you for that look I will make sure to read it.
Have a great day
I agree with both of you, so...
Back to page topI agree with both of you, so it seems we have found some middle ground. My one question is the cost of playing catch up ... it seems to me that I remember about 7-10 years ago (this is only one example) we had a complete water ban due to poor planning in our city governement at the name of saving money, which is all well and good until we have to play catch up and get hit even harder. Granted, this doesn't happen with everything, but it's just one example that has cost taxpayer dollars to remedy.
Robert, you write:
"Spend wisely, Plan better, Cut spending"
If the do that, taxes will naturally come down.
If they do not - the lack of discipline will cause taxes to rise."
I agree with this comment, but I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on what is a fair time frame on this to be judged. Also, as in the case mentioned above with water, is it worth it to pay more to ammend for our mistakes so we don't have to pay later, or continue the status quo to save a buck, and ask future generations to pick up the tab?
(Just a note, I'm not trying to be an agitator, just debate what I think is an essential piece of the issue).
Yes, I remember that water...
Back to page topYes, I remember that water ban as well. I will say this, Scott County and the growth it endured and the mediocre, planning to say the least plays a huge part in this. You can't just keep building houses to increase revenue when your services go right down the proverbial toilet because of the bad or lack there of planning. Yes, the tax base increased and things had to be shifted and expanded, but the city and county knew full well, the amount of permits they were allowing out, and what those houses were going to run off of. So, again I ask, how can you consistently increase without results? We have a lame police department, and a wonderful fire department, why can one be good and the other falter? Our city hall needed to be redone too and since then, their services have also lacked hugely. Lack of planning and lack of service provided. Those are the few issues at hand, that our taxes go for. Like I said about a month ago, I called to report an elderly couple that had broken down and they were more worried about who I was, than the people who easily could have gotten killed where they broke down. anyway, this could be debated forever, it is my decision not to be taken for a ride any longer. So that is what I have to say. Sorry if it upset anyone
Am I the only poster who's...
Back to page topAm I the only poster who's 2008 property taxes have decreased? Not a significant amount, but a decrease just the same compared to 2007. I think both the county and city portions went down.